Context: Position as stated in Nawrocki's June 9, 2025 Mandiner interview, his first foreign interview as president-elect; the quote is his verbatim EU formulation from that interview. His NATO opposition is carried by the same source's paraphrase — he 'currently does not envision Ukraine in either the EU or NATO until important civilisational issues for Poland are resolved' — language he first used publicly in January 2025 during the campaign. Whether the position holds as government policy against Prime Minister Tusk's contrary line is the checkable question.